Anna Soubry MP: Moving on ……‏

Anna  Soubry  MPWe have witnessed some momentous and extraordinary events in recent weeks. The Referendum result was a surprise to both Remainers and Leavers. Our Prime Minister resigned, the Labour party fell into disarray and then we saw some rather shameful behaviour from senior Conservative politicians as our leadership contest unravelled. Meanwhile the pound plunged to its lowest level in 31 years and businesses face unprecedented uncertainty from the economic shock of a Brexit vote.

As the Business Minister I have been extremely busy as you might imagine and it was refreshing to be back in the constituency last weekend.

My thanks to everyone who has emailed and called the constituency office – especially those who have expressed warm words of support. You may not be a constituent but you are receiving this because I am unable to respond personally to the many hundreds of emails I have had from people who do not live in Broxtowe. I will do my best to answer personally the many more constituents who have contacted me – please bear with me!

Please scroll on to find my response to the questions and concerns that you have raised following the vote to leave the EU; I have also shared my own thoughts and analysis.

I also need to set the record straight following some misreporting about what I said in the days following the Referendum. You will recall my email after the murder of the MP, Jo Cox in which I called for us all to do politics differently and to restore tolerance in our society. Despite the promises to change many have fallen back into their bad old ways. I have been called many names – a traitor, a racist and even a drunk. I am none of these things. I have written a short seperate piece on my determination to campaign for hope over hate and in particular to continue to make the positive case for immigration.

I attended the Prime Minister’s statement on the Chilcott Inquiry and fully support all he said. If I had been your MP in 2003 I would have voted against the invasion of Iraq which was my publicly stated position at the time.

I was delighted to attend the Kimberley School Awards evening on Thursday. We bid a fond farewell to Head teacher, Chris Teal and sent huge congratulations to all the students on their successes over the last twelve months. We also paid tribute to parents, grand-parents, carers and all the staff who make Kimberley an excellent school.

Please read on for more news and views.

Have a good weekend – there’s a full What’s On diary at the end of this email.
as ever

Anna

Midland Engine Revs Up!

w325_7749272_midlandengineNottingham Trent University hosted a Midlands Engine summit on Monday. A new investment hub and more support for companies looking to export were top of the list of announcements for our equivalent of the Northern Powerhouse. I was a guest speaker and in addition to announcing extra money to boost export opportunities, I spoke about the need for businesses to lead the Midlands Engine and the need to ensure all young people get the best education and skills.
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Beeston Station – Can You Help?

w320_2683257_beestonstationIt appears almost every station on the Midland Mainline has a ‘friends’ group who organise volunteer days to keep our stations looking good and serving passengers. But not Beeston station, even though it is an attractive Grade 2 listed building. I met East Midlands Trains representatives yesterday to discuss future upgradings to Beeston station – notably lifts. I will give an update when I have one. In the meantime work will begin to clear the weeds and debris from the various roofs. If you would like to be part of a Beeston station friends group then please let me know.
 

Greasley Marks Somme Centenary

w320_7749270_sommeGreasley Parish and Borough Councillors worked with the British Royal Legion and Greasley Beauvale Primary School to commemorate the centenary of the start of the Battle of the Somme last Saturday. It was a lovely ceremony and my thanks and congratulations to everyone who took part. A new bench was unveiled to mark this most terrible of battles which saw more than one million men killed or injured from July 1st 1916 until its completion on November 18 1916.

Bramcote Hills Golf Course

Broxtowe Borough Council will soon decide on whether to vote for a development on Bramcote Hills Golf Course which is part of a very important green open space. Whilst I appreciate the owners of the Golf Course are struggling to find an alternative use, this is not the solution. I hope the Planning and Development Committee will reject the application.

Angels at St John’s

w320_7749296_angelsnurseryopeningI was delighted to open a new nursery yesterday – Angels with Dirty Faces who are based in the grounds of St John’s College, Bramcote. The College is making progress with its plans for a new future which include better facilities for its students and staff. The nursery is open to everyone.

 

Brexit – The Aftermath and the Future

The Result in the Borough of Broxtowe

The result in Broxtowe was for the whole of the Borough so included the 11,000 voters of Eastwood and Brinsley who are part of the Ashfield parliamentary constituency.

The Broxtowe Borough turnout was 78.3% of which 54.6% voted Leave and 45.4% voted Remain.

The result in Ashfield District with a 72% turnout was 69.8% for Leave and 30.2% for Remain.

If people in Eastwood and Brinsley had voted in the same way as the rest of Ashfield, I calculate the result in the Broxtowe Constituency was about 50:50.

I want to make it very clear and repeat what I said on Question Time a week last Sunday -across the UK millions of people of all ages and backgrounds voted for us to leave the EU. For some they had held that view for decades and no-one and no argument was going to change their mind. Many voters genuinely believed that we would regain our sovereignty and improve our county’s fortunes by leaving the EU. I respect those views even though I don’t agree with them. And I also respect and accept the result.

Like many Remainers and indeed Leavers, I was shocked by the result. For many people that shock turned to anger and despair. I know many young people (who voted by 75% to stay in the EU) felt an older generation had in some way stolen their future. We are now moving into a calmer period where we need cool heads to deal with the difficult times ahead. We are where we are and we must now all come together to heal the many divisions the Referendum provoked in our society and work together to do the very best by our economy.

So What Happens Next?

The Economic Situation

The unexpected result of the Referendum caused the stock market to fall dramatically though it has since recovered although the banks and house builders remain greatly down. The £ has not recovered and is now the weakest of the major currencies however, I believe we will stabilise and much of that is due to the work of the Governor of the Bank of England and Chancellor of the Exchequer. But we must not kid ourselves, we face some very difficult economic times and can expect petrol and food prices to rise in the coming months.

I have had many meetings and discussions with business leaders and people running businesses in Broxtowe and elsewhere in the country – I spent last Thursday and Friday on a tour of businesses in the north of England. The Government is making every effort to restore confidence and is offering help to exporters. Trade trips are underway or in the planning and we have been keen to make it clear that our country is very much open for business.

I have been arguing in Government that we need an immediate plan to deal with the economic situation, the bringing forward of infrastructure projects and assurances on tariffs for some of our most vulnerable industries like the automotive sector.

Leaving the EU and Article 50

We are still a member of the EU with all the rights that confers us and the free trade arrangements that business enjoys. I know from discussions with many businesses here and elsewhere that a lot of EU workers were greatly upset by the result and there was a steep rise in hate crimes and attacks against both EU and non EU workers. You may have seen or read my immediate condemnation of this appalling behaviour. The number of reported cases has fallen but we all need to make it very clear that we are at heart a tolerant and decent society which will not tolerate hatred and racism. Instead of blaming migrant workers we should be thanking them for the great contribution they make to our country – more on this below.

After resigning as our Prime Minister, David Cameron set up a special department specifically to deal with the highly complex and difficult task of Brexit.

Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty sets out how a member state negotiates its exit from the EU. It can take up to 2 years and has never been done before.

I am told that there is a reluctance in some parts of the EU Commission to begin any negotiations before Article 50 is triggered. There is also considerable controversy as to whether the new Prime Minister or Parliament can invoke Article 50 and some businesses have sought clarity in the courts. There is also great concern that Scotland, which voted by 62% to remain in the EU, will press for a second Independence Referendum.

Meanwhile, there have been calls for a second EU Referendum following anecdotes of many leave voters now changing their minds and also demands for a General Election.

I wish I could give answers to the many questions so many constituents have asked – but the reality is that we are in unknown territory. The new Prime Minister will chart our course, setting out the mechanics and timetable of Brexit – and I have no doubt there will be many constitutional difficulties ahead. For the record I would prefer a new PM within days rather than having to wait until September.

For me the critical part of the negotiations is to maintain access to the single market – tariff free trade with the other 27 countries. The arrangement the EU has with Canada is attractive (though not as good as being a member of the EU – but I lost that argument!) however, it may take longer to achieve than our economy can afford.

Frankly, now has never been a better time to read a good variety of newspapers and on line articles and the Government web sit (link below) is also worth a look.

Read more on Brexit here >>

In this final section on the Referendum I want to reflect on why Britain voted to leave the EU.

As I have said in many media interviews, for decades Conservative and many Labour politicians have done down the EU and failed to promote its considerable benefits. Immigrants have been deemed in need of “controlling” and too many newspapers have screamed out outrageously false and damaging headlines. Whatever the vote, if you want people to support you, it’s critical to ‘roll the pitch’ long before you ask them to go out and positively support your cause in a ballot. After decades of undue criticism of the EU and the failing by our political leaders to make a positive case for migrant workers it should come as little surprise that so many millions of people in our country failed to back Remain.

And there is this. Careful examination of the results clearly show that we still have a significant number of people living in deprivation who feel disconnected and disillusioned and through the Referendum they found a voice. They voted Leave as much as to express their feelings of being abandoned by politicians and the rest of the society, as to vent their anger at ‘immigrants’ who they wrongly blame for failing services and a lack of opportunity.

Following the Referendum I have spoken on numerous occasions about the urgent need for what is called social justice – the mechanisms to enable people from the most disadvantaged backgrounds to be able to move up in our society and improve their lives. It’s hugely about instilling aspiration and hope from the earliest years of a persons life to the provision of training and apprenticeships, so that everyone has the skills and opportunities they need to enjoy the very best of their life. And we also have an urgent need to restore those British values of tolerance and fairness.

Hope not Hate and the Need for an Honest Debate about Immigration

I have always believed in the positive benefits of immigration to our economy and society at large.

As the Referendum vote approached I became increasingly concerned that immigration was becoming the dominant issue for many people and I believe that many of those who led the Leave Campaign deliberately fuelled peoples fears about immigration and preyed on ingrained prejudice.

I campaigned in many places in our county and elsewhere in our country. Overwhelmingly, Leave supporters were citing “immigration” as the driver of their desire to be out of the EU. In the final few days I was shocked to hear people shout at me and other Remain supporters “Get these immigrants out” we were also called traitors. I witnessed a lack of tolerance and on occasions hatred, I had not seen since my student days in Birmingham and London.

For reasons I hope are obvious, I don’t have much free time at the moment but I have already begun discussions with fellow MP’s and peers from all parties about how we can come together to make the positive case for immigration, to combat prejudice and hate, and to ensure fairness in all aspects of our society especially in access to jobs and pay.

It is all very much in the early stages but I hope to have more to say in the Autumn.

So Let’s Start with Some Facts!

The 2011 census in Broxtowe Borough revealed the following facts

92.74% described themselves as ‘white’.
0.56% Irish heritage
2.65% EU migrants
1.67% mixed heritage
3.08% Asian heritage
0.85% Black heritage
1.04% Chinese heritage
0.62% Other heritage

Why I’m Backing Theresa May

To me it’s rather straightforward. We need a Prime Minister with a proven track record of competence, leadership at the highest level of Government, a safe pair of hands and a cool head, with the necessary experience to negotiate the very best deal for our country as we leave the EU. We also need a PM who is a caring, compassionate One Nation Tory. I don’t agree with Theresa May on immigration but her admirable qualities entirely meet the above criteria. I am whole heartedly backing Theresa May as our next Prime Minister.

What’s on in Broxtowe

Saturday 9 July
Beeston Carnival
On NOW!
Where: Broadgate Park, Beeston.
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Bramcote Old Church Tower – Local History and Archaeology Day
Now till 4pm
Where: Lakeside Museum, Nottingham University.
What’s on: Organisations will be present to share information about a range of projects.

Sunday 10 July
Charity Concert
6:30pm
Where: Strelley Hall, Gardens.
What’s on: Nuthall based Nottingham Bluecoat singers are celebrating their 60th anniversary and will be presenting a fabulous concert for Maggie’s Cancer Centre. Tickets cost £15 and can be obtained via Noel Jervis on 0115 9382323 or noeljervis07@gmail.com.
Tuesday 12 July
Beeston North CAT meeting
7pm
Where: Children’s Centre, Beeston Fields School.
Wednesday 13 July
Drop in legal surgery for domestice abuse
9:30am till 2:30pm
Where: Please call Broxtowe Women’s Project for details on 01773718555.
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Wednesday mornings with Dig In – Stapleford
10am till 12 noon
Where: Albany Allotments, Pasture Road, Stapleford, NG9 8HZ.
What’s on: Full details here.
Thursday 14 July
Cabaret night
7:30pm
Where: Beeston Royal British Legion, 16 Hall Croft, Beeston, NG9 1EL.
What’s on: An evening of live music in support of the Tuberous Sclerosis Association and the Speech, Sign and Song Club. Tickets cost £5 and are available from Beeston Royal British Legion or Diane’s Cabin, 45 High Road, Beeston.
Friday 15 July
Proms on the Pitch
7:30pm till 10pm
Where: Newdigate Street, Kimberley.
What’s on: Kimberley Institute are proud to announce that the award winning Newstead Brass Band will be playing at their first ever Proms on the Pitch. £5 per person £3 for under 16’s, please bring seats, blankets etc.
Saturday 16 July
Broxtowe Community Celebration
11am till 4pm
Where: Round Hill School, Beeston.
What’s on: There will be music, dance, songs, arts and crafts, sports and food from around the world.
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Beeston monthly Farmers’ market
9am till 2pm
Where: Beeston Square.
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Beeston Wildlife Group – Walk
10am till 1pm
Where: Attenborough Nature reserve, NG9 6DY.
What’s on: Full details here.
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Annual vic Fest – Free live music
1pm till 9pm
Where: The Victoria Hotel, Beeston.
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Toton Community Fun Day
12 noon till 5pm
Where: Manor Park, Toton.
What’s on: Arts and crafts, bouncy castle, food and drink, local stalls, golf range and much more.
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TSA Community Day – Beeston
10am till 2pm
Where: Beeston Square (outside Wilkos)
What’s on: Tuberous Sclerosis Association and the Speech, Sign and Song Clubwill be raising awareness of the charity there will also be a children’s entertainer, a band, demonstration from Pure Gym, fund raising stall and beauty items from Hairven.
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Saturday mornings with Dig In – Stapleford
10am till 12 noon
Where: Albany Allotments, Pasture Road, Stapleford, NG9 8HZ.
What’s on: Full details here.
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Summer Fair – Beeston Fields Primary
11am
Where: Beeston Fields Primary School.
What’s on: Fairground rides. tombola, BBQ and much more.
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Summer Fair – William Lilley Infant and Nursery School
11am till 2pm
Where: Halls Road, Stapleford, NG9 7FS.
What’s on: Drinks and cake stalls, hook-a-duck. tombola, BBQ, ice cream van and much more.
Sunday 17 July
Heritage Walks – South Beeston
2:30pm
Where: Starting in Beeston Square.
What’s on: Full details of the walk here.
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Strawberry Fayre – Bramcote
1pm till 4pm
Where: Bramcote Old church Tower, Moss Drive, Bramcote.
What’s on: Strawberries and cream, refreshments and other stalls.
Wednesday 20 July
Beeston and District Local History Society – talk
7:30pm
Where: Chilwell Memorial Hall.
What’s on: A talk by David Amos “Aye up me duck, a brief and light-hearted look at the local dialect”.
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Wednesday mornings with Dig In – Stapleford
10am till 12 noon
Where: Albany Allotments, Pasture Road, Stapleford, NG9 8HZ.
What’s on: Full details here.
Thursday 21 July
Stapleford CAT meeting
7:30pm
Where: The Meeting Place, Stapleford.
Friday 22 July
Outdooor Theatre – Shakespear e
6:30pm
Where: Collier’s Wood, Moorgreen, NG16 3QU.
What’s on: Midsummer night entertainment with Broxtowe outdoor theatre. There will be a performance of a Midsummer Night’s dream, full details here.
Saturday 23 July
Saturday mornings with Dig In – Stapleford
10am till 12 noon
Where: Albany Allotments, Pasture Road, Stapleford, NG9 8HZ.
What’s on: Full details here.
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Summer Fun Day – Kimberley
1pm till 4pm
Where: James Street, Kimberley.
What’s on: Fun packed day with lots to do including traditional Punch and Judy, face painting, fair rides and much more.
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Stapleford Community Groups day trip to Skegness
7:30am
Where: Departing Washington Drive, Stapleford, NG9 8PY.
What’s on: A coach trip to Skegness. Places cost £12.50 per person. To book your place please call 07740344427.
Tuesday 26 July
Bramcote and District Ladies’ Probus Club
10am
Where: New Stapleford Community Centre, Washington Drive, Stapleford, NG9 8PY.
What’s on: Full details here.
Wednesday 27 July
Wednesday mornings with Dig In – Stapleford
10am till 12 noon
Where: Albany Allotments, Pasture Road, Stapleford, NG9 8HZ.
What’s on: Full details here.
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Neighbourhood Planning – Stapleford
7pm
Where: Carnegie Centre, Warren Avenue, Stapleford.
What’s on: Open meeting for residents/ businesses in Stapleford who are interested or would like to be involved in the neighbour hood plan.
Thursday 28 July
Lawn Bowls – Open afternoon
1:30pm till 3:30pm
Where: Bowling Green, Broadgate Recreation Park, Beeston.
What’s on: Come along to try out bowls.
Saturday 30 July
Saturday mornings with Dig In – Stapleford
10am till 12 noon
Where: Albany Allotments, Pasture Road, Stapleford, NG9 8HZ.
What’s on: Full details here.
Sunday 31 July
Bramcote Old church Tower – Open Day
11pm till 4pm
Where: Bramcote Old Church Tower, Moss Drive, Bramcote.

Anna Soubry MP
Barton House, 61 High Road, Chilwell, NG9 4AJ
0115 943 6507
anna.soubry.mp@parliament.uk
annasoubry.org.uk

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29 Responses to Anna Soubry MP: Moving on ……‏

  1. Stapleford CAT meeting
    7:30pm
    Where: The Meeting Place, Stapleford.

    The Stapleford CAT meeting is 7-8.30pm on Thursday 21st July at The Haven Centre, Wadsworth Road, Stapleford. It is not at The Meeting Place.

  2. JudyS says:

    It is incorrect to say Beeston Station does not have a ‘Friends’ Group. It did, it was led I believe by Sheila Eden of the Beeston Express, someone asked me recently about it and I referred them to Sheila. It would be great for a group to start up again, I think the last group was initiated by Nick Palmer.

  3. Fred R says:

    “We are where we are and we must now all come together to heal the many divisions the Referendum provoked in our society” – no, we mustn’t. The result will cause irreparable damage to society, politics and economy for at least a generation, if not longer. Those who voted Leave are responsible for what’s happening now, and what will happen in future years. They must not be allowed to ‘move on’, but be held to account for their decision. I’m sure that they’ll be happy to put up a robust and aggressive defence of that, as they did prior to the vote, and I look forward to their justifications, particularly towards the younger generation from whom the future has, IMO, been stolen.

    I thought I’d never write this of a Tory, but kudos to yourself for your progressive views (in stark contrast to many of your colleagues as you’ll know), your determination to put a positive case for immigration (markedly lacking in the Remain campaigning, sadly, which fought the battle on its opponents’ battlefield), and to call for hope not hate. I’m not surprised that you were labelled ‘traitors’ as the referendum brought out some very nasty (and even a few Nazi) people from the woodwork, who are now emboldened by the result to think that their fear and loathing is now mainstream (as witness the very sharp rise in racist incidents across England). It is these people who need to be told, in no uncertain terms, by a Brexit Tory government that their views and behaviour are unacceptable and odious.

    • Ian Blakeley says:

      Fred, you know as well as I do that no-ones future has been stolen. In the future people will still be able to get jobs within the EU, just as EU citizens will be able to get jobs here. The only difference will be that people entering UK to work will have to have a job to come to, they will not be permitted to just wander across the channel and look for low paid casual jobs and at the same time claim job seekers allowance, and I would imagine that the same will apply to UK citizens going to the EU. Students will still be able to go to France grape picking as they used to do. What is going to change is that we, and our government, will not be subject to EU ‘directives’ from the (unelected) commissioners, and that the EU Court of Justice will not be able to overrule our Supreme Court. This country, and those in the EU will move on as they have always done.

      Here we are 3 weeks after Independence Day and guess what: The world hasn’t ended, millions haven’t been thrown out of work, thousands of Brits and EU citizens haven’t been returned to countries of origin etc, etc, etc.

      • Fred R says:

        Don’t tell me, tell young people, and see if they agree with you.

        ” they will not be permitted to just wander across the channel and look for low paid casual jobs”
        What, just like, say, all those unemployed Geordies who went to Germany in the 80s to find work? Remember Auf Wiedersehen, Pet?

        Or just like all those Irish who came to the UK for “low paid casual jobs”, one of whom was my own mother? Not to mention all the other unskilled and semi-skilled Micks in my family. This is very personal to me, matey.

        No bother – it’ll be English fleeing abroad for work soon enough. Already there’s been such a rush for Irish passports that the Irish Embassy is begging people to hold off applying, so plainly there are lots of Brits (including in NI, of all places) who know how important it’ll be to retain a right to work in the EU after Ingerlan goes walkies in a xenophobic isolationist huff.

      • Ian Blakeley says:

        Quote “Don’t tell me, tell young people, and see if they agree with you.” Had the 2/3rds of young people who couldn’t be bothered to vote, voted and voted to remain, it would be a different matter. However THEY decided not to and so we leave an undemocratic, unregulated organisation. I don’t know if you watched Jeremy Paxman in a TV programme talking to young people. Most of them thought that Brexit would mean that they couldn’t travel around Europe any longer!!! —– and some of them were from Belgium and Germany.

  4. Howard Shakespeare says:

    Currently EU citizens can move to the UK, and after a short time, have full access to our welfare system. That includes Housing Benefit of up to £417 per WEEK!
    These benefits are not available to Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, Japanese, Brazilians, Americans etc.
    Once we depart the EU, we must adopt the global protocol. Benefits must be restricted to British Subjects and Irish Citizens only.
    This action will ensure that people coming to the UK to work, do exactly that. They must be able to live by their own endeavour, not welfare.

    • Fred R says:

      From the non-aligned Migration Observatory at Oxford University:

      “EU migrants are less likely to claim out-of-work benefits but more likely to claim in-work benefits like tax credits, compared to the UK born.”

      Source: “EU Migration, Welfare Benefits and EU membership“, Migration Observatory, 4/5/16

      The MO is a very good source of referenced data on migration, and a ‘go to’ site for anyone seeking facts on the issue. Those who prefer the comforting prejudices of scrounging feckless immigrants (who also take our jobs – Schrödinger’s immigrants) should pronounce anathema on MO and hie themselves off to the UKIP or Britain First sites.

      • Howard Shakespeare says:

        When it comes to National Socialism, look no further than Brussels. The totalitarian, antidemocratic, unaccountable and unelected EU is well down the road to neo-fascism.
        Don’t be fooled into believing that the European Parliament and its MEP’s hold any power. That institution is just a sham.
        What post does Angela Merkel hold in the EU? The answer is none. Yet she has seized control and dictates to all member states. Merkel’s dream of being the Führer of a Fourth Reich has been dealt a terminal blow by Brexit. Wait for referenda in other nations and the people return to democracy and liberty, as the EU crumbles away.

    • Fred R says:

      “Benefits must be restricted to British Subjects and Irish Citizens only.” So, to be clear, you’re ok with Brits claiming benefits but not foreigners? Thus welfare, including public services such as the NHS, should be available freely to natives inside British borders but denied to incomers, yes? National socialism, perhaps?

    • Joan Wade says:

      Howard – Would you expect other EU countries to apply the same rules to the millions of British Citizens living in the EU outside of the UK? There is nearly a million, mostly elderly, British people in Spain alone and the media in Spain is already talking about similar ideas to the ones you have. What provision would you make for these people to return to Bramcote and other towns?

      • Howard Shakespeare says:

        The vast majority of UK citizens living in Spain finance themselves. They use the wealth, and in the case of the elderly, their pensions. Brits abroad are not a burden on their adoptive nations welfare.
        If one moves to Australia, you don’t receive benefits. Why should Europe be different?
        Remainers are still not grasping what Brexit means. The remaining EU will be no different to the UK, in matters of settlement and social security, than anywhere else in the world.
        The UK is bidding farewell to the 27 and by greeting the 166, retaking our rightful place in the globe.

    • Ian Blakeley says:

      “Benefits must be restricted to British Subjects and Irish Citizens only.” Don’t be daft Howard, you’re talking just like those who think that all immigrants are going to be departing these shores.

    • Barry Morrison says:

      Whilst I can see Howard’s logic (and I don’t know too much about the figures he quotes, if they’re correct) I do know that not all immigrants come here just to get a free house and all the benefits that go with it..True, there is abuse but many indigenous folks are abusing the system…Most immigrants come here to work and whilst I agree that immigration should be controlled I’m not going to tar all immigrants with the same brush..As for Fred R’s comments about Irish immigrants, well I worked with a lot of the ”Micks” all over the country in the construction boom of the 60′ and nicer people I’ve yet to meet…I learned a lot from those guys, they worked hard, they played hard and to be realistic would a lot of the construction jobs have been completed if it was’nt for the ”Micks”?..I doubt it…A lot of this immigration issue reminds me of the Windrush years of the late 40’s and early 50’s when a lot of Carribeans came to the UK and guess what?..They found employment in jobs such as London Transport bus conductors….London underground working…Dustbin men etc Doing mainly jobs that some white British people would’nt do…Sounds very similar to today’s problems methinks.

  5. Richard Dinsdale says:

    What was missing in the referendum campaign was real hard information on which to base an informed decision how to vote.
    Would Howard or someone else who knows please tell us how many people came from the EU and claimed benefit. Only then could we make an informed judgement of the mpact and relevance of this issue, rather than a decision based on mere slogans and sound bites on one side, or fear of the unknown on the other.

  6. Susan A. says:

    Leavers I know voted for two reasons – sovereignty and anti-racism. Sovereignty because we can be self-ruling; anti-racism because we can free ourselves from being suffocated by a regional and discriminatory agenda that cuts right across our country’s history as an outward-looking and inclusive nation.

    No longer do we have to be controlled by the inward-looking political, legislative and financial ideology that underpins the EU. Now at last we can again engage with the whole world with regard to trade and movement of skills and labour, unfettered by the inward-looking, xenophobic and isolationist chains that shackle the EU bloc.

    Regarding young people who claim their future has been ‘stolen’ from them, those young people who actually voted may have voted 75% to remain, but a significant percentage of young people didn’t vote at all. ‘The Independent’ suggests that 64% of voters in the 18-24 age group didn’t vote and we’ve all heard the excuses – their parents didn’t register them on the electoral roll, their universities can’t block-register voters, they were on holiday. We have four children in this age range and they all registered themselves and voted, one by postal vote and one by proxy because they were away on 23 June. The 64% who didn’t register or vote should grow up and take personal responsibility for their futures.

    Just my two pennies’ worth.

    • Fred R says:

      That’s a surprising, and risible, attempt to claim anti-racism for Leave. Everyone and their uncle could see, during the campaign, that fear and hatred of foreigners – sorry, ‘immigration’ – was central to Leave and they kept pressing the anti-immigration button because they knew well that it chimed with the xenophobia rife in reactionary English culture. To claim that this was not xenophobic, but in fact anti-racist, is beyond satire.

      So the yoof have only themselves to blame for their lost future? Tough mazoomas, kids – the paleface wrinklies have stitched you up because you were unable or unwilling to vote in numbers. Your punishment: a lost generation. That’ll teach youse.

      Folk might be interested to read and bookmark the informative BBC EU referendum page, with demographics on who voted what, where, and how old and what class they were.

      Just my 2 cents worth (which is increasing in value with Sterling devaluation). I’d not normally bother as the deed is done and England is knacked for decades to come so opinions are pointless, but this amazing bit of chutzpah really couldn’t go unremarked. Had it not appeared on this blog I’d have assumed it came from NewsBiscuit…

      • Susan A. says:

        Not a claim or satiric, Fred, but fact for us and people we know. Please don’t tar everyone with the same brush when it comes to each individual’s reasons for voting in a particular way. If we try hard enough, most of us are capable of independent thought and my vote was certainly not swayed by propaganda and post-truth politics, but by experience and a desire for global engagement. But I’m glad you could have a laugh about it.

  7. Ian Blakeley says:

    What is missing from all these arguments is, what I think is really important, the facts that the EU is an Undemocratic Organisation that rules by directive and not through the European Parliament. It’s so far behind with its finances that I understand they haven’t been approved as fair for years, and the European Court of Justice can overrule our Supreme Court and all the other top courts throughout the EU.

    Those of you who want to remain within the EU, are you really willing to give up ALL Sovereignty to Jean-Claude Juncker, who, today in the Spectator, has been described as the Sepp Blatter of Europe. If you are happy for this to happen then shame on you and I suggest that you sod off across the channel and work there.

    My cousin shed his blood for us in 1944. He was in France for 4 days. When he was wounded, of his battalion of 800 men only 8 of them were still on their feet, unscathed. As I said – -shame on you, shame on you.

    • Fred R says:

      My father fought in Korea – SFW? You got a point, O nationalist one, or are you just pushing emotional buttons? Never mind – that’s a rhetorical question. I dare say that the tens of thousands of Brits who fought in Spain against the fascists, in the name of socialism and internationalism, would have cried shame, but then they don’t count, I suppose, being Reds and all.

  8. Joan Wade says:

    Howard states that “Remainers are still not grasping what Brexit means.” Teresa May (a Remainer) has now told us that “Brexit means Brexit” Negotiations are now going to take place over many years to establish what Brexit means. It looks from what people are saying that we hope to be able to negotiate something as close as possible to the existing arrangements as the other EU countries will allow. This way the Brexiteers will be happy as we will no longer be in the EU and everyone else will be happy because nothing whatsoever will have changed.

  9. Steve Carr says:

    Actually 65% of people under 25 voted. Another Brexit untruth.

    • Barry Morrison says:

      Depending on where one gets the information from and what one believes. And it does’nt matter what age group did or did’nt vote the result is still the same so for God’s sake stop moaning and picking bones and let them get on with negotiating whatever they’re gonna negotiate.

      • Fred R says:

        ” In fact why don’t all you remainers answer the question about sovereignty.” That’ll be “sovereignty” as the 51st State of the US, as a low-regulation low-wage no-tax zero-rights freefire zone for multinational corporations, yes? Already that US agent Fox is negotiating a TTIP UK-style with the US though trumpeting it as a ‘trade deal’.

        No nation in the world has sovereignty, however you define it. It’s an ancient concept last relevant in the 19th century. Every nation is interdependent in a connected world, where if, say, China sneezes others catch colds. Nationalism is dead, yea even the nostalgic nationalism of a whites-only 50s England where jolly burghers paraded the promenades in knitted handkerchiefs and kissmequick hats.

        Sovereignty is a dead concept. It has met its maker. It’s joined the choir invisible. It’s popped its jolly old clogs. It has as much reality in the modern world as phlogiston.

      • Fred R says:

        The closest thing to a half-decent analysis of Brexit voting patterns is the informative BBC EU referendum page which I posted before, but which has plainly gone in one eye and out the other, so here it is again for the attention-diminished.

    • Ian Blakeley says:

      Steve, instead of nitpicking about who did what and to whom; why don’t YOU answer my question posted on 16 July at 14.34. In fact why don’t all you remainers answer the question about sovereignty. Frightened of the backlash?

  10. Ian Blakeley says:

    So Fred R believes that our country ought to be governed by a small number of unelected, undemocratic dictators and that our Supreme Court ought to be subject to the authority of the European Court of Justice. Well it figures I suppose.

    • Fred R says:

      Do enjoy democracy when Ingerlan is ruled by US multinationals rather than Eurocrats.

      And as usual this ‘debate’ descends into a triumph of heat over light, and has as much value as Fruitcake’s promises, so that’s the end of me on this dogend of a thread. Not that there’s owt to argue over these days.

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